It’s so nice to see teh show finally acknowledging their undying ~*love*~ for one another.
After Elton (x)
This is probably the most accurate depiction of my relationship with Glee ever.
Wait, I know this one.
You hire a bunch of new sucky writers and assassinate all your characters. You kick your female audience in the teeth on a weekly basis and continue to blame it on them. You start twitter wars with fans, then proceed to flaunt your flaws to show your audience you’ve heard them, and that they can go screw themselves.
Then you leave the sinking ship to start another few hundred projects about good guys and bitchy women, in the hopeless hopes that no one notices.
You want to talk unequal treatment of characters?
- The Asian couple have had the majority of their storylines revolve around their Asianness or Asian stereotypes. Another Asian character was treated to a barrage of racist jokes from the lead character, including comments implying that she couldn’t speak English.
- The only black member of the club (s2 - beyond) is constantly desexualised and comments have been made about her music being “crunk” as well as numerous other racialised comments
- The frequent and unchecked ablism thrown at the sole disabled character
- The erasure of the Jewishness of the two canonical Jewish characters - not to mention the frequent anti-semitism
- Of the six girls in New Directions, only two have been consistently ignored over two seasons. You can work out which two - this is despite these two being full time characters since the first episode. Promoted guest stars have had more screentime and development than them
- The only two larger characters have been shown as obsessed with food
- The canon biphobia shown by numerous characters, and through the erasure of the bisexuality of characters
- The treatment of sexual assault, abuse, and molestation as a joke
- The show’s vile treatment of suicide and mental illness
Yeah, it sucks that the same-sex couples don’t get to make out as often as you’d like. But it’s not “Equality” if you’re only demanding “equality” for one group.
I agree with all of these as a show of lack of equality, but I think that the last part of the post really makes OP’s message lose its power, because you’re shaming us for not also asking for equality for others, and that’s making the lack of equality for same-sex couples look like it’s not as important.
Yes, there is racism, sexism, biphobia and anti-semitism shown in Glee. We all know this, however something a lot of us feel strongly about is the lack of representation of LGBT characters. We’re not saying that the other story lines aren’t as important, just that we’d like to see people that WE identify with to be treated more fairly.
If OP wants us to help with a campaign for equality in other areas, too, then I’m sure that we’d all be more than happy to help.
Don’t shame my community because yours isn’t getting the focus or treatment it deserves. Join us to help show Glee what it’s doing wrong.
Don’t trivialise our concerns because you don’t care as much about our characters as we do. It takes away from your message, and makes infighting within fandom worse.
We don’t want the characters to ‘make out’ more. We want them to have story lines that involve them interacting, to give us hope, and we only want more affection since that’s seemingly how Glee couples show their love. Trust me, we’d be just as happy with a scene where a same-sex couple discusses their relationship and how other people are reacting to it.
When people point out the issues with Glee - especially those regarding racism or ablism - they’re met with “No, you’re over-reacting” or “You’re reading too much into the show”. If fans try to point out these issues, they’re shouted down because fandom finds them less important than Klaine and Brittana kissing.
The problem with the Glee Equality Project (Asides from the fact it calls itself the Glee Equality Project when it’s only after Equality for the same-sex couples which is a flawed concept of equality, imoe) is that it erases that many of the straight couples are denied the exact same things the GEP claim are exclusively denied to same-sex couples.
Mercedes didn’t get an on-screen kiss until season three and has been constantly portrayed as completely non-sexual.
Mike and Tina didn’t have any development for the first season they were together.
Artie has also been desexualised.
It ignores that, individually, Santana, Kurt and Blaine have been given huge amounts of screen time - especially compared to Artie, Mercedes and Tina. This is despite Santana and Blaine being considered guest stars for part of their runs. It ignores that all of these characters have storylines outside of their relationships - Tina’s storylines have literally only revolved around her boyfriends. There’s literally dozens of examples of this.
Frankly, I find it unfair that the GEP chooses to place two ships involving the most neglected characters on the show (three of whom are PoC) on the same level as Finchel. Samcedes and Tike have actually been given far less development than Klaine or Brittana. Samcedes were thrown together at the end of one season and then Sam disappeared for half a season. Tike got three minutes of backstory and were then promptly ignored until Asian F.
tl;dr: the ships involving Mercedes, Tina and Artie face the exact same issues that the GEP claims only same-sex couples face on Glee.
And also, I find it fetishizing that the GEP chooses to base its campaign on kisses and touching between same-sex couples. The project can claim to be about other things, but the emphasis put on kissing and sexual contact creeps me (a gay woman) out. Literally the first thing you see on the GEPs mission statement is a chart about kisses.
Also I find ironic that we are supposed to ignore our problems and focus on theirs and they don’t see the hypocrisy . This is like that “Gay is the new Black” bullshit or the hate that is constantly thrown at the black community for not supporting gay rights. Which essentially erases all POC in the LGBT and tells me that you find racism trivial because your struggle is more important to you. As if racism is dead and homophobia is the new racism.
The truth is a gay white man still has more rights than a straight black man and is not even comparable to a straight black woman let alone a gay POC. Kurt vs Mercedes and Tina’s development is just one example of this. Kurt has agency, a boyfriend, a dream, friends who support him, many love interests, a dad who supports him, enemies that he has conflict with, gets to talk about all of these things on screen, etc etc etcI could go on forever. Mercedes had a storyline which was taken over by Santana, a boyfriend who we never saw, a love with Sam that we never saw, no parents, no house, a dream that she barely talks about, few lines if any at all, and lets not forget the fat shaming and racism constantly thrown at her that she just deals with quietly because again she is not allowed to speak. Tina has nothing but Mike, I know she wants to be in show business because she mentions it once but that’s it.
Then Artie is in a wheel chair so literally no one gives a fuck. Instead he is just alone and silent dealing with constant ableism. But I should feel sorry for Brittana and Klaine? Those 4 who get screen time and songs dedicated to each other? Those four who get to discuss their relationships? Those four who get to exist as individuals?
What you guys are fighting with this project is not equality, it’s PDA. Finchel get the most screen time but guess who comes in second place…wait for it…KLAINE. They were the only other couple in the finale to have a conversation about what was going to happen to their relationship after graduation. They talk about their relationship constantly and have had so many songs dedicated to each other, so much conflict, so many sappy moments that it is made clear to me this isn’t about lack of development. This is about fetishcizing the gay couples on this show. The other straight couples are not kissing I repeat THE OTHER STRAIGHT COUPLES ARE NOT KISSING. So you are full of shit.
lol fuck that. I want Amber to be free of this bullshit. In fact, I want them all to be.
Fucking this^ They all deserve to get into serious, GOOD projects. Especially Amber and Jenna who didn’t get jack shit from this ENTIRE show and whose talents were simply ignored.
Lucy Hallowell: Dianna Agron — not for her work as Quinn Fabray but as Dianna Agron for never looking like she was going to kill Ryan Murphy for giving her more and more absurd storylines each week. Punk girl with pink hair, Desperately Seeking Susan wardrobe, and a bad attitude? Baby-napper in training? Car accident victim turned paraplegic who is miraculously cured by Finn Hudson telling her to get out of her chair (you should see the work he is going to do next season at Walter Reed)? Check, check, and check. So the Emmy should go to Ms. Agron for grinning through it all and pretending not to be homicidal.
*snort* Okay, I know I’m gonna look like an asshole but here goes. Where the fuck was this love/giving-a-shit when AMBER and JENNA didn’t get SHIT? What, incompetent screen writing and poor character handling doesn’t matter until it affects us white women? What, because Dianna matches society’s ideals in terms of beauty, that makes her MORE WORTHY as opposed to Jenna and Amber that got, literally, NOTHING. I can’t be bothered to give a fuck, sorry. Yes, Quinn’s handling is FUCKING BULLSHIT. It’s sexist and should be called out. But I just cannot muster TOO MANY tears when Amber and Jenna have gotten nothing IN ADDITION to not getting any articles pointing out how CRIMINAL it is their characters are treated the way they are. White privilege at work! Here it is.
it’s time that Glee writers realize that people are not idiots and no one buys their shit anymore.
Dot’s nomination is well-deserved.
#I’m sorry Naya #bb angel you were excellent but acting could only do so much when your material was the shittiest shit of shit #you were great and no one could deny that #but there are other equally talented actresses with way BETTER material and a lot MORE screentime
^That tag is GLORIOUS
Glee - Yes/No
Ryan Murphy Productions in association with Twentieth Century Fox Television
Kelley Mitchell, Department Head Makeup Artist; Jennifer Greenberg, Key Makeup Artist; Melissa Buell, Additional Makeup Artist; Tym Shutchai Buacharern, Additional Makeup Artist; Paula Jane Hamilton, Additional Makeup Artist; Darla Albright, Additional Makeup Artist
Glee - Asian F
Ryan Murphy Productions in association with Twentieth Century Fox Television
Michael Goi, ASC, Director Of Photography
Dot-Marie Jones, as Coach Shannon Beiste
Ryan Murphy Productions in association with Twentieth Century Fox Television
It ain’t easy being Blaine Anderson.
Glee has a tendency to skim lightly over the surface of Blaine’s issues with his sexuality. Sometimes, he seems to sing more than he talks.
Have you written FOX yet?
The only nitpick I have here is that there is no canon evidence that Blaine is wary of showing affection in public whatsoever. Just like there’s none that Kurt hates PDA. In fact, canon suggests that both boys are quite happy to display affection in public.
Glee And Women: Quinn Fabray:
When it comes to the character of Quinn I have to ask: Is it worse to simply be shoved into the background with no development, or to have your character development stilted/regressed – Or is it worse to have some of the best character development the show has ever produced, simply so that it can constantly be stripped away for the convenience of the plot?
Quinn Fabray has had some very touching and well thought out character development, she’s grown, learned from her mistakes and she’s proven to both herself and others that she’s not simply a one-dimensional waste of screen time – Unfortunately she’s had to do this four separate times over the course of the past three seasons, because as it turns out, Quinn’s the show’s main human prop and punching bag.
When we were introduced to her in season 1, Quinn was one of Glee’s three main villains, alongside Santana and Sue. She was presented as being a bully, mean spirited, self-absorbed, and with her pregnancy, a deceitful and cruel cheater. Quinn wasn’t meant to be a sympathetic character, she was meant to be an antagonist, someone the glee clubbers had to overcome, and were it not for the writers’ desperate attempts to draw in viewers I doubt her pregnancy would have ever been put to screen. But it was, and as a result Quinn became more than just an antagonist – She became a three dimensional character, who was forced to grow and mature because of her mistakes, and unlike most of the characters on the show, she was forced to suffer through punishments for her mistakes: For cheating she became pregnant, and for becoming pregnant she got kicked out of her home and she lost her reputation, and so on.
As time went on Quinn learned what it was like to be one of the glee clubbers she used to bully, and as a result she grew – For example: She extended her compassion, and advice learned from her own personal experiences, to Mercedes, in order to help her out of a situation she knew all too well. She stood up to Sue and ensured that the glee club got a photo in the school’s yearbook, she learned to not care about what others thought about her, and that popularity and reputation, especially in high school, wasn’t all that important.
This was somewhat regressed at the beginning of season 2, with Quinn suddenly once again caring about popularity and reputation, but to be fair it was to a lesser extent, and the rest of her development stayed in place. We even touched upon her unwillingness to open herself up emotionally to others, because of her past experiences with relationships, romantic and otherwise, something which would be carried and built upon throughout the rest of the season. Sadly this development didn’t stay in place for long, as the writers decided to sacrifice Quinn’s development simply for a temporary contrived roadblock for Finn and Rachel’s relationship.
And here is where Quinn’s character really fell apart for good, and why so many viewers now jokingly state that Quinn has Schizophrenia. All of Quinn’s development was happily thrown out of the window, and this new version of her was a very warped interpretation of who she was at the beginning of season 1: Suddenly she was seemingly obsessed with being the most popular person, alongside Finn, at school, she relished being head cheerleader and wanted the title of Prom Queen to go along with it. In addition all her previous friendships were cut off, leaving her only with Finn and Rachel to interact with, the latter making the least sense, as the writers flip-flopped about whether the two were meant to be friends or enemies, often changing the tone of their relationship within the same episode.
Come season’s end Quinn was dumped for Rachel, none of her former friendships had been mended, and she seemed in no better a place than she had been before, and with none of the growth she had in season 1 and the beginning of season 2 intact, making her regression and character assassination even more difficult to understand or justify.
By the beginning of season 3 Quinn had gotten so far away from who she originally was and who she developed into that the writers might as well of named her something else, afterall she was a completely different character now. Suddenly Quinn suffered some sort of breakdown, leading to her cutting off ties with her former friends, joining a gang, taking up smoking and dating a forty year old skateboarder – This could be explained by the fact she lost her popularity by quitting the Cheerios, lost Finn to Rachel, and because she lost all her former friendships and development because the writers apparently didn’t care anymore, but later on this breakdown seems to be tied into Beth re-entering her life, which makes her ‘breakdown’ and ‘reform’ muddled and unclear as far as motivations go. In addition we also had Quinn reveal she had been granted acceptance into Yale, which seemed fairly contrived seeing as how only a few weeks prior she was a mental and emotional mess, willing to throw her life away and rot in Lima, while also under the delusion she could steal her child back from Shelby, one must wonder when she found the time to fully get her act together, enough to get over her previous declarations that her life was meaningless and that she’d be stuck in Lima the rest of her life, so that she could apply to Yale and consider it a serious option.
But all seemed like it might finally be right with Quinn, yet again she was growing as a character, learning from her mistakes and attempting to get back to the person she once was, though which version is anyone’s guess – But of course, no such luck. Instead Quinn was mowed down by a truck and promptly placed into a wheelchair, the setup seemingly so that she could continue to grow as a character, but seeing as how this plot thread was almost never focused on and since the message was simply whittled down to ‘I’m going to dance at Nationals and then go to Yale!’, the entire plotline just becomes yet another contrivance that didn’t need to happen. In the grand scheme of things the plotline amounted to nothing, in fact it once again hurt Quinn’s character growth by regressing her back to a popularity obsessed, manipulator, and it yet again only served to demonise Quinn so that she could be punished by gaining nothing, and to ultimately create backlash against the character in the hopes of turning her back into a hated character, rather than one people sympathised with – This tactic didn’t work, there was backlash alright, but it was aimed solely at the writers, not Quinn’s character.
And finally, when all was said and done, Quinn suddenly became best friends with Santana and Brittany again, despite there being no real build up and the fact that two seasons worth of poor treatment leaves you wondering why Quinn would wish to be friends with them, she was also sadly paired as best friends with Rachel, while her friendships with Mercedes, Kurt, Lauren, Artie and Joe were left abandoned and untouched upon, for some inexplicable reason the writers also dragged her relationship with Puck back for one kiss, despite three seasons worth of making it clear in all respects that the two didn’t truly have feelings for each other and that they weren’t getting together – And this is where the character of Quinn was left, half-baked friendships at the ready, while those built up were abandoned, a possible reunion with Puck set up for the future, off to Yale and seemingly stuck being Rachel’s punching bag and human prop for seasons to come.
Quinn’s character is a mess, she’s been gifted with some of the show’s best development, only to then have it sacrificed for the convenience of the plot, as the writers seemingly have no idea what to do with her or her development. It’s always a bit of a depressing venture to discuss the character of Quinn, where she started, how she grew and finally how her character went downhill in some of the most moronic and pointless ways possible – The character of Quinn has several different versions, and depending on which one you choose to acknowledge your perception of her will change drastically, but sadly it’s the only way to look at her character, because the different versions of her character do not work together, it is impossible to look at Quinn as every version of her because every version of her is at odds with the rest, there will never be one way of looking at or accepting Quinn, because there are too many contradicting versions of her to work as one whole.
I think of all the wasted potential on Glee, Quinn’s was the worst. Not just for what we saw on screen, but for what we didn’t. Especially in regards to her backstory.
Quinn came from an oppressively religious household that stressed perfection. Her parents saw no problems with allowing their preteen daughter to get plastic surgery (2x18). To lose weight she went on a “crazy diet” (2x18) that caused her to hallucinate and pass out (1x16). Her parents were oblivious to her probable eating disorder and when she quit the Cheerios her mother chided her for gaining weight (1x10), giving us a hint to what their interactions were like before she lost all that weight. In middle school she hated herself so much she literally became a different person by changing her name (2x18). When her father found out she was pregnant he kicked her out of the house while her mother did nothing. When Mrs. Fabray finally did take her daughter in, it was not because she felt that kicking your pregnant sixteen year old daughter out of the house is wrong. No, it’s because her husband was cheating on her. That gives us an idea of how self involved Mrs. Fabray is.
In some ways, the weird choices the writers made with Quinn’s character in season three made sense, as did her relentless pursuit for prom queen. She came from a material based background where she constantly struggled to be the perfect daughter. As such, she assumed that if she just had that one thing, it’d make everything all better- be that thing a tiara or a beautiful daughter. Of course, the execution of the Beth plot was god awful.
Her rebellion made sense too. All her life, Quinn has followed the rules and the one time she broke them by sleeping with Puck, her entire life was ruined by it- she lost Finn, her popularity, her moral ground and her home. Cheating on Sam with Finn produced similarly bad results, although to a lesser degree- Sam dumped her for her rival and Finn eventually dumped her for Rachel. I understood her acting out because clearly following the rules just set her up for failure. So she’d break them all, but this time it’d be deliberate. She was sick of being who everyone expected her to be, so she decided to screw them all and become who everyone feared she’d be.
The problem is, the writers create these plots and then forget all about them, instead deciding to create a new one which they’d soon forget about as well. Quinn guarding herself in early season two gave way to giving her a romance with Sam. That was soon discarded so she could be a pawn in the Finchel game. Then we had her quest for prom queen, but one episode after she loses that’s forgotten and we have her scheming to get Glee Club disqualified from Nationals.
In season three we have her rebel, only for her to pretend to drop her rebellion in order to get Beth back. We never see how or why her pretending to be who she used to be became her just plain becoming who she used to be.
So now we have her going psycho trying to get Beth back. But one quick talk with Sam in 3x08 and she’s all better and applying to Yale.
In 3x11 we learn that she wants to leave for New Haven without any romantic attachments. That is totally forgotten when they need to give a plot to The Glee Project winner. However, despite dating Shoeless Joe, she makes out with Puck so he can pass a test. The fact that she has once again cheated on her boyfriend is never mentioned.
She gets into a car accident and must learn to accept that she may never walk again- only for her to quickly get better to the point that she can dance at Nationals with no issues. We see a building of a relationship with her and Artie, which had an interesting dynamic where Artie seemed to be angry when she started to get better. Again, totally discarded.
Not to mention the ignoring of Quinn’s rivalry with Santana and friendship with Mercedes and Kurt.
The Glee writers are like puppies with shiny objects when it comes to Quinn story lines.
What do you mean this show only perpetuates the white (with one tiny light skinned exception)/abled/cis/straight THIN bodies?! I thought Glee was SO ~*PROGRESSIVE*~ and was TOTS INCLUSIVE!!!1!!!!/sarcasm. This show is seriously the ABSOLUTE WORST. They uphold the status quo almost more than the actual status quo. Glee doesn’t give a fuck about eating disorder culture/disordered eating culture/exercise culture/body hate culture/fat phobia culture AT FUCKING ALL. They UPHOLD it. And then ask for a million cookies for including maybe 2 or 4 different body type token actors. And THIS GIF-and the MILLIONS like it? IT PROVES glee’s fuckery. Especially when these gif/graphic pic sets are as WHITE and THIN as this. -___-